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	<title>Comments on: Open Source FLOSS Exceptions</title>
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	<description>JavaScript UI Component Library</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-14291</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack,
I am so sorry you have to deal with all this instead of doing what you love which is creating this wonderful library. I love ExtJS, and we will be buying a commercial license since I have implemented and demo'ed extjs in prototype apps, clients want this and nothing else. It doesn't matter to us what you decide on using as a licence. We will support you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack,<br />
I am so sorry you have to deal with all this instead of doing what you love which is creating this wonderful library. I love ExtJS, and we will be buying a commercial license since I have implemented and demo&#8217;ed extjs in prototype apps, clients want this and nothing else. It doesn&#8217;t matter to us what you decide on using as a licence. We will support you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiger</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-14267</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry,
i think i've talked before think enough of it.

I was angry about your decision...but i understand now.

Your work is invaluable Jack, you have done something very very special. It's an absolutely outstanding framework, a great piece of software.

Without you Ext would not be possible.

Just remember the work of the community, by keeping on supporting them on the forums, and another thing: if you one day decide to drop this framework for some reason, please retain the paternity and revert it to LGPL license so that this work can be taken and developed by the community.

Wish the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,<br />
i think i&#8217;ve talked before think enough of it.</p>
<p>I was angry about your decision&#8230;but i understand now.</p>
<p>Your work is invaluable Jack, you have done something very very special. It&#8217;s an absolutely outstanding framework, a great piece of software.</p>
<p>Without you Ext would not be possible.</p>
<p>Just remember the work of the community, by keeping on supporting them on the forums, and another thing: if you one day decide to drop this framework for some reason, please retain the paternity and revert it to LGPL license so that this work can be taken and developed by the community.</p>
<p>Wish the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiger</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-14263</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion all this is not about ethics. It is about *law*.

Is it *legal* what you are doing? I mean, you have benefit for a long time of the help of many many people reporting bugs, creating tutorials, answering the forums and so on, all under the LGPL licence.

Now you want to sell the result of *their* work, along with yours.

What i'm trying to say is that this product can't be *YOURS* after being under a LGPL for so long.

This project is not *YOURS* anymore! In my opinion this is not even legal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion all this is not about ethics. It is about *law*.</p>
<p>Is it *legal* what you are doing? I mean, you have benefit for a long time of the help of many many people reporting bugs, creating tutorials, answering the forums and so on, all under the LGPL licence.</p>
<p>Now you want to sell the result of *their* work, along with yours.</p>
<p>What i&#8217;m trying to say is that this product can&#8217;t be *YOURS* after being under a LGPL for so long.</p>
<p>This project is not *YOURS* anymore! In my opinion this is not even legal!</p>
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		<title>By: willgillen</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-13885</link>
		<dc:creator>willgillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When is this going to be resolved?  It has been 3 months since this blog post was created, and there is still no answer.  There has been plenty of community feedback in the forums regarding the issue of FLOSS exceptions, community extensions, and GPL vs. LGPL.  There are many of us who have (or are considering) purchasing a commercial license, and we just want to see the results of the discussions come to a final resolution so that we can all decide if we want to continue using ExtJS or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is this going to be resolved?  It has been 3 months since this blog post was created, and there is still no answer.  There has been plenty of community feedback in the forums regarding the issue of FLOSS exceptions, community extensions, and GPL vs. LGPL.  There are many of us who have (or are considering) purchasing a commercial license, and we just want to see the results of the discussions come to a final resolution so that we can all decide if we want to continue using ExtJS or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-11641</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone simply explain to me (all of us) how these exceptions affect the possibility of Spring adopting Ext JS back into their web framework?  There is a great blog that explain's Spring's move from Ext JS to Dojo...
http://www.sporcic.org/tag/extjs/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone simply explain to me (all of us) how these exceptions affect the possibility of Spring adopting Ext JS back into their web framework?  There is a great blog that explain&#8217;s Spring&#8217;s move from Ext JS to Dojo&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.sporcic.org/tag/extjs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sporcic.org/tag/extjs/</a></p>
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		<title>By: marki</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-11607</link>
		<dc:creator>marki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a developer of an Apache-licensed server app, I'm most interested in the FLOSS exception for open source applications. 

We paid for a support contract on Ext with the understanding that we could distribute it as LGPL. Without this exception we will have to pull Ext functionality from the app. 

We cannot switch licenses for our code at this point, and continuing to use a dead-end version of Ext is not attractive.

What is the timeframe for information on support for non-GPL open source applications?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a developer of an Apache-licensed server app, I&#8217;m most interested in the FLOSS exception for open source applications. </p>
<p>We paid for a support contract on Ext with the understanding that we could distribute it as LGPL. Without this exception we will have to pull Ext functionality from the app. </p>
<p>We cannot switch licenses for our code at this point, and continuing to use a dead-end version of Ext is not attractive.</p>
<p>What is the timeframe for information on support for non-GPL open source applications?</p>
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		<title>By: mot</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-11570</link>
		<dc:creator>mot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I think it was really wise extjs project skipped the binary driven and therefore unfitting LGPL in favor of the current GPL version with the great exception for the commercial usage for those who want to. This makes licensing more serious in both cases: For Uncommercial and Commercial Open and for Commercial Closed Source Projects. The only type left behind might be uncommercial closed source projects like freeware apps but there might be option for them to switch to open source as well as well as thinking about becoming closed commercial.

And it makes the developers (project and external ones) work on the code base more seriuos.

For all those ranting here and there, most of the comments I was reading and the fear those (mostly bloggers) are facing are that they were not already aware of licensing. Most of the questions posed reveal general shortcomings in licensing knowledge.

The suggestion by Andrei Neculau to let the questions posed by deadcabbit on ajaxian do not hit the nail as well. Answering those questions might give a general view but licensing is bound to the concrete act of usage, and since there are a million possibilities, there must be some million questions asked and then answered. Therefore choosing a clear and well known license type does help a lot more and even people like deadcabbit or Andrei Neculau who pretend to be new to licensing. Extjs does inform about the licenses, you find the information here: http://www.extjs.com/company/dual.php

Then Max who fears to pay his lawyers, that aren't cheap. Normally for licensing (any type) and more seriuos clients you mostly always need to contact your lawyers. But anyway, extjs makes your live much more cheaper with spending only little money for the commercial license. Just a scenario: Max re-licenses on LGPL to his customers but some court later on says that LGPL is defenetly not fitting for scripting languages. The LGPL then is lost as licensing for the code used and you are without license then. Since you are without license you were not able to re-license to your customers. Just a Scenario.

After the License Change things did infact got more simple and easier. Now with the FLOSS Exceptions drafted things become a little bit more complicated but I think these additional licensing terms do make live for people like Andrei Neculau and deadcabbit more easy because they get their questions clearly answered.

A little hint on the end: It is possible to license Images and such files shipped with extjs under GPL as well. GPL is not bound to sourcecode only.

I wish the project all the best and hope that the choice of license will help to evolve - on the codebase on commercially for the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I think it was really wise extjs project skipped the binary driven and therefore unfitting LGPL in favor of the current GPL version with the great exception for the commercial usage for those who want to. This makes licensing more serious in both cases: For Uncommercial and Commercial Open and for Commercial Closed Source Projects. The only type left behind might be uncommercial closed source projects like freeware apps but there might be option for them to switch to open source as well as well as thinking about becoming closed commercial.</p>
<p>And it makes the developers (project and external ones) work on the code base more seriuos.</p>
<p>For all those ranting here and there, most of the comments I was reading and the fear those (mostly bloggers) are facing are that they were not already aware of licensing. Most of the questions posed reveal general shortcomings in licensing knowledge.</p>
<p>The suggestion by Andrei Neculau to let the questions posed by deadcabbit on ajaxian do not hit the nail as well. Answering those questions might give a general view but licensing is bound to the concrete act of usage, and since there are a million possibilities, there must be some million questions asked and then answered. Therefore choosing a clear and well known license type does help a lot more and even people like deadcabbit or Andrei Neculau who pretend to be new to licensing. Extjs does inform about the licenses, you find the information here: <a href="http://www.extjs.com/company/dual.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.extjs.com/company/dual.php</a></p>
<p>Then Max who fears to pay his lawyers, that aren&#8217;t cheap. Normally for licensing (any type) and more seriuos clients you mostly always need to contact your lawyers. But anyway, extjs makes your live much more cheaper with spending only little money for the commercial license. Just a scenario: Max re-licenses on LGPL to his customers but some court later on says that LGPL is defenetly not fitting for scripting languages. The LGPL then is lost as licensing for the code used and you are without license then. Since you are without license you were not able to re-license to your customers. Just a Scenario.</p>
<p>After the License Change things did infact got more simple and easier. Now with the FLOSS Exceptions drafted things become a little bit more complicated but I think these additional licensing terms do make live for people like Andrei Neculau and deadcabbit more easy because they get their questions clearly answered.</p>
<p>A little hint on the end: It is possible to license Images and such files shipped with extjs under GPL as well. GPL is not bound to sourcecode only.</p>
<p>I wish the project all the best and hope that the choice of license will help to evolve - on the codebase on commercially for the project.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Whelan</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-9531</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll second (3rd? 4th? 100th?) the request for responses to the questions in the Ajaxian thread; that'd be very helpful.  I've read the GPLv3, but I'm not at all clear on how it applies to different types of web applications for JS libraries included but not required for site functioning (most responsible developers build helpful degradation into their sites...), etc. etc.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second (3rd? 4th? 100th?) the request for responses to the questions in the Ajaxian thread; that&#8217;d be very helpful.  I&#8217;ve read the GPLv3, but I&#8217;m not at all clear on how it applies to different types of web applications for JS libraries included but not required for site functioning (most responsible developers build helpful degradation into their sites&#8230;), etc. etc.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei Neculau</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-9355</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei Neculau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not my comment on Ajaxian, but thanks for attribution :)
But that is indeed what regular people should have somewhere to read. I kindly ask the ExtJS team to take all of those scenarios into analysis (and maybe other scenarios as well) and have it documented with the right answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not my comment on Ajaxian, but thanks for attribution <img src='http://extjs.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But that is indeed what regular people should have somewhere to read. I kindly ask the ExtJS team to take all of those scenarios into analysis (and maybe other scenarios as well) and have it documented with the right answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Zyclops</title>
		<link>http://extjs.com/blog/2008/04/27/open-source-license-exception-for-extensions/#comment-9350</link>
		<dc:creator>Zyclops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The questions pointed out by Andrei at ajaxian are pretty good and cover most of the use cases for any developer.  An example summary of that kind would really help my understanding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The questions pointed out by Andrei at ajaxian are pretty good and cover most of the use cases for any developer.  An example summary of that kind would really help my understanding</p>
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